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Post by tautog on Jan 18, 2008 11:57:38 GMT -5
Interesting article on all NJ tracks that may also pertain to all that don't have slots. Kind of breaks my heart because I live near the beginning of the part of the state where they breed and stable both thoroughbred and harness horses. Always a beautiful ride passing all the farms. If this keeps up who knows how long it will last? www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008801160414 |
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Post by longtimeplayer on Jan 19, 2008 12:09:25 GMT -5
I saw that coming in Batavia 15 yrs ago. Same thing, thinning crowds, people lose interest after watching the chalk that should win by 10 lenghts finish 6th. People get tired of watching two egos try to race each other for the lead only to both finish out of it, while some longshot comes in that had no business finishing even 3rd wins. You can't handicap that stuff, better off throwing a dart at the program. The only people cashing a ticket on these races are numbers bettors or the old lady that liked the horses name! The drivers and trainers have to realize the fans are the ones getting screwed when a horse is sore and they still try to race them to get a check. How many times do we see a horse on the track that probably should not race? Are slots the answer, can't hurt. The tracks and the horsmen need to work together to bring new fans in, if not it's only a matter of time before harness racing will be a thing of the past.
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Post by theredmile on Jan 24, 2008 1:22:43 GMT -5
You have it right on! Consumer confidence is the key in this game and I can tell you it is not very high right now.
Tracks just don't seem to care. They allow all sorts of games.
Driver Elliott Deaton has been in Lexington for a while and is sitting in one of the VIP rooms with two of the bigger gamblers/con artists. I have friends in the mutual department that tell me since Deaton's arrival betting and cashouts on Northfield have gone up substantially. This is fact, not rumor or conjecture.
I am going to be in Lexington next week sometime and I hope I can talk one of the employees I know into giving me a copy of one of the big wigs account summaries. If I can get a copy I'm not sure what I am going to do with it. If Dave Hawk got a lifetime suspension over a handful of small wagers, then I would hope several of the drivers involved with the Red Mile crew would get that and more.
I have not contacted Northfield regarding this because I feel doing so is futile.
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Post by pony on Jan 24, 2008 10:39:03 GMT -5
Seriously, I'm a little confused. What is wrong with Elliott Deaton vacationing and resting his shoulder in Lexington and betting Northfield? He isn't driving, he knows those drivers and horses the best, so what is it that I'm missing that's a problem?
Dave Hawk was betting races he was driving in. Big difference.
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Post by thegiss on Jan 24, 2008 12:12:44 GMT -5
You have it right on! Consumer confidence is the key in this game and I can tell you it is not very high right now. Tracks just don't seem to care. They allow all sorts of games. Driver Elliott Deaton has been in Lexington for a while and is sitting in one of the VIP rooms with two of the bigger gamblers/con artists. I have friends in the mutual department that tell me since Deaton's arrival betting and cashouts on Northfield have gone up substantially. This is fact, not rumor or conjecture. I am going to be in Lexington next week sometime and I hope I can talk one of the employees I know into giving me a copy of one of the big wigs account summaries. If I can get a copy I'm not sure what I am going to do with it. If Dave Hawk got a lifetime suspension over a handful of small wagers, then I would hope several of the drivers involved with the Red Mile crew would get that and more. I have not contacted Northfield regarding this because I feel doing so is futile. The first thing to do is get a good lawyer, along with the employee, since what you propose is highly illegal. And, on behalf of Northfield, while Pony is 100% correct, if you have actual evidence, not rumnor or supposition, you should conatct us and also contact the USTA Integrity Hotline. |
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Post by trackrat on Jan 24, 2008 19:00:02 GMT -5
Redmile, it's interesting that you mention Elliott Deaton by name but fail to name the two big time gamblers/con men, as you call them. If they are so identifiable, why not name them also and then send all of your info to Northfield Park so that they can clean up this alleged gambling ring and start to restore costumer confidence.
Thanks for your vigilance.
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Post by longtimeplayer on Jan 24, 2008 19:13:00 GMT -5
The USTA has an intregity hotline? Wish I knew about that last year. A couple of friends of mine and I were at our local OTB betting Buffalo Raceway. The "lock" horse we played had a nice qualifier, was down in company and had 3 seconds on anyone else in the race. Horse goes off 1-5 and finishes 5th !!!!! Runs 4 seconds slower than his qualifier. Now if he wins I catch the ex and tri solid as my 2nd and 3rd picks run one, two. I email Buffalo Raceway to complain about the race, I get an email back telling me to call the judge at the track. I ask for an email address and he says they don't have one. Talk about consumer confidence. If more races like this were investigated maybe this stuff wouldn't happen as often. That horse we played never should have raced that night.
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Post by tautog on Jan 24, 2008 20:47:02 GMT -5
I need to add my two cents here since I'm from the biggest racing area in the country not that it means a d**n thing. Con men do not bet at the racetrack and want to kill the price. They don't bet 5 or ten dollars a race. They certainly don't use a betting card so they can be traced. Do you really think he is that stupid to do something like that openly? Maybe he watches the horses warm up and gives an opinion but I would say it stops there. Anyone can be accused of a crime, after that it's hard to clear your name as the correction winds up on the back pages of the newspaper.
I have been burned (like all of us) on certain races just chalk it up to the game. Whether the driver did anything I can only speculate not accuse.
I agree with Keith if you think a crime was committed report it just don't say it in here.
I'll say a few more more things. The next time you are at the track watch how many people are on their cellphones 2 minutes before the race goes off. Don't you think NF would see all this money pouring in from Lexington on winning horses?
Just one man's opinion.
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